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		<title>By: Pip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have inspired me to go and explore my local Asian supermarket! Great post - really enjoyed reading this! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have inspired me to go and explore my local Asian supermarket! Great post &#8211; really enjoyed reading this! :)</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ES: &quot;whatever ingredients that auntie was using surely didn’t come from Simon Johnson’s&quot;

Yes!

That&#039;s what I was getting at earlier - and I reckon the reason SJ&#039;s and similar don&#039;t stock the creme de la creme of asian ingredients is that they&#039;re available at a frickin&#039; pittance from Asian grocers. 

It&#039;s not worth their while to fill their shelves with stuff that (even with &lt;i&gt;double&lt;/i&gt; their usual markup from wholesale) would only make them a small profit. Better to get de puy lentils for $5 a kilo, put them in tiny little containers and flog them for ten bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ES: &#8220;whatever ingredients that auntie was using surely didn’t come from Simon Johnson’s&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I was getting at earlier &#8211; and I reckon the reason SJ&#8217;s and similar don&#8217;t stock the creme de la creme of asian ingredients is that they&#8217;re available at a frickin&#8217; pittance from Asian grocers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not worth their while to fill their shelves with stuff that (even with <i>double</i> their usual markup from wholesale) would only make them a small profit. Better to get de puy lentils for $5 a kilo, put them in tiny little containers and flog them for ten bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Eurasian Sensation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eurasian Sensation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve really nailed it with this article.
The snobbery held by most food writers towards non-European food has always rankled with me.  Wilden seems to imply that what Asian people choose to use and eat is just not good enough for her sophisticated ass. Yet when some enterprising upmarket operator serves it on a big white plate, removes most of the oomph from its flavour (thus making it taste more like Western food) and charges 3 x what it costs in Springvale or Footscray, they are lauded as a genius. Her article smacks of all kinds of Western arrogance and being afraid to really get at the substance of Asian food.

But then again, my idea of food heaven is eating char kway teow off a banana leaf in front of an open drain by a Penang roadside, cooked by some 70-year-old auntie. And whatever ingredients that auntie was using surely didn&#039;t come from Simon Johnson&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve really nailed it with this article.<br />
The snobbery held by most food writers towards non-European food has always rankled with me.  Wilden seems to imply that what Asian people choose to use and eat is just not good enough for her sophisticated ass. Yet when some enterprising upmarket operator serves it on a big white plate, removes most of the oomph from its flavour (thus making it taste more like Western food) and charges 3 x what it costs in Springvale or Footscray, they are lauded as a genius. Her article smacks of all kinds of Western arrogance and being afraid to really get at the substance of Asian food.</p>
<p>But then again, my idea of food heaven is eating char kway teow off a banana leaf in front of an open drain by a Penang roadside, cooked by some 70-year-old auntie. And whatever ingredients that auntie was using surely didn&#8217;t come from Simon Johnson&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Speedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Zoe, really interesting article and discussion - thanks for writing it. I didn&#039;t read the initial article when it was first published but reading it now, I think it would have niggled at me too.

I agree with everything you say, although I don&#039;t have a problem with Ashfield council asking shop owners to have shop names in both languages, unless it was done in a heavy-handed way? I remember reading about it in our local papers some years ago. friends have always come and gone from the area so it&#039;s a haunt, but not a &quot;know it like the back of your hand&quot; haunt any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Zoe, really interesting article and discussion &#8211; thanks for writing it. I didn&#8217;t read the initial article when it was first published but reading it now, I think it would have niggled at me too.</p>
<p>I agree with everything you say, although I don&#8217;t have a problem with Ashfield council asking shop owners to have shop names in both languages, unless it was done in a heavy-handed way? I remember reading about it in our local papers some years ago. friends have always come and gone from the area so it&#8217;s a haunt, but not a &#8220;know it like the back of your hand&#8221; haunt any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite, Pat, and thanks for your recommendations.  

I also rely heavily on Rosemary Brissenden&#039;s &lt;em&gt;South East Asian Cookery&lt;/em&gt;, Charmaine Solomon&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Encyclopaedia of Asian Food&lt;/em&gt;, Deh-ta Hsiung&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Chinese Kitchen&lt;/em&gt; and Emi Kazuko&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Japanese Food and Cooking&lt;/em&gt;.  There&#039;s more at my (incomplete but getting there) library thing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.librarything.com/catalog/crazybrave&amp;tag=Asia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;under the tag &quot;Asia&quot; &lt;/a&gt;(and yes, there are more specific country tags and tags &quot;Europe&quot;, &quot;America&quot;, etc ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite, Pat, and thanks for your recommendations.  </p>
<p>I also rely heavily on Rosemary Brissenden&#8217;s <em>South East Asian Cookery</em>, Charmaine Solomon&#8217;s <em>Encyclopaedia of Asian Food</em>, Deh-ta Hsiung&#8217;s <em>The Chinese Kitchen</em> and Emi Kazuko&#8217;s <em>Japanese Food and Cooking</em>.  There&#8217;s more at my (incomplete but getting there) library thing <a href="http://www.librarything.com/catalog/crazybrave&amp;tag=Asia" rel="nofollow">under the tag &#8220;Asia&#8221; </a>(and yes, there are more specific country tags and tags &#8220;Europe&#8221;, &#8220;America&#8221;, etc ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not inherently racist to hold a particular cultural perspective or reference point, but it is racist to assume that the perspective is of general application.  Unless they&#039;ve quietly renamed the paper The White Australian?

I agree about the potential for whitey confusion, which is why I ran a session for my women&#039;s group called &quot;Demystifying the Asian Grocery Store&quot;, which I mentioned in this post.  A relevant section:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I think one reason why some people are cautious about buying things from an Asian grocery store is that so much stuff is packaged, and if you don’t know what it is, or what the thing you want looks like, it gets confusing. So we ripped open all the plastic and set about rehydrating, sniffing, poking and tasting.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That, as opposed to a chefly word from on high, is how to learn about ingredients.  And you can do it by yourself, I did.

And I can&#039;t accept that the &quot;&lt;em&gt;food media space in print is not going to earn money from catering to anything but the core audience&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, when Australians spend $60 million a year on food and cookery titles, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressivedinnerparty.net/2008/08/06/food-writers-as-activists-talk-by-donna-lee-brien/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to the research of Professor Donna Lee Brien&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not inherently racist to hold a particular cultural perspective or reference point, but it is racist to assume that the perspective is of general application.  Unless they&#8217;ve quietly renamed the paper The White Australian?</p>
<p>I agree about the potential for whitey confusion, which is why I ran a session for my women&#8217;s group called &#8220;Demystifying the Asian Grocery Store&#8221;, which I mentioned in this post.  A relevant section:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think one reason why some people are cautious about buying things from an Asian grocery store is that so much stuff is packaged, and if you don’t know what it is, or what the thing you want looks like, it gets confusing. So we ripped open all the plastic and set about rehydrating, sniffing, poking and tasting.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That, as opposed to a chefly word from on high, is how to learn about ingredients.  And you can do it by yourself, I did.</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t accept that the &#8220;<em>food media space in print is not going to earn money from catering to anything but the core audience</em>&#8220;, when Australians spend $60 million a year on food and cookery titles, <a href="http://www.progressivedinnerparty.net/2008/08/06/food-writers-as-activists-talk-by-donna-lee-brien/" rel="nofollow">according to the research of Professor Donna Lee Brien</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who are interested in learning more about Asian ingredients, I can recommend &lt;em&gt;The Essential Guide to Buying and Using Authentic Asian Ingredients&lt;/em&gt; by Carol Selva Rajah, 2002 pub New Holland, ISBN 9781864367454, and &lt;em&gt;Discovering Asian Ingredients for New Zealand Cooks&lt;/em&gt;, by Jennifer Yee, 2001, Random House, ISBN 9781869414610. You might have to search about for them as I suspect they are out of print.

Culinary snobbery reminds me of one of the mothers who turned up to watch a college cricket match some years ago, dangling a miniature schnauzer off a lead. People duly commented on the little dog. &quot;They are &lt;strong&gt;very&lt;/strong&gt; fashionable, of course,&quot; she told us. There it was - not a family pet but a fashion accessory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are interested in learning more about Asian ingredients, I can recommend <em>The Essential Guide to Buying and Using Authentic Asian Ingredients</em> by Carol Selva Rajah, 2002 pub New Holland, ISBN 9781864367454, and <em>Discovering Asian Ingredients for New Zealand Cooks</em>, by Jennifer Yee, 2001, Random House, ISBN 9781869414610. You might have to search about for them as I suspect they are out of print.</p>
<p>Culinary snobbery reminds me of one of the mothers who turned up to watch a college cricket match some years ago, dangling a miniature schnauzer off a lead. People duly commented on the little dog. &#8220;They are <strong>very</strong> fashionable, of course,&#8221; she told us. There it was &#8211; not a family pet but a fashion accessory.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan &#124; Syrup and Tang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan &#124; Syrup and Tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zoe. I think it&#039;s hard to argue that a person&#039;s own cultural perspective or reference points are *inherently* a form of racism. The audience of Wilden&#039;s piece are predominantly Eurocentric. Their reference points are predominantly Eurocentric. A lack of familiarity with other places/cultures/whatever is pretty normal and I think you&#039;d find the majority of European-heritage Australians would find &quot;Asian&quot; grocery shops &quot;scary, difficult, and odd&quot;. That is not racism. It&#039;s anxiety about unfamiliar things, sometimes expressed with irritating ignorance as in the article mentioned. Naturally, that ignorance and cliché can encourage racist beliefs amongst people inclined to have prejudiced or discriminatory attitudes.

Separately, I don&#039;t know why anyone would have expected the Australian to be groundbreaking -- Lethlean and Wilden were acquired for name recognition and commercial advantage, in the same way Matt Preston was recently. Preston is the only one with diverse writing skills there. The food media space in print is not going to earn money from catering to anything but the core audience. (And Fairfax had already destroyed its strength in food before it lost the above names, so there&#039;s no reason to expect anything better anywhere I guess.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zoe. I think it&#8217;s hard to argue that a person&#8217;s own cultural perspective or reference points are *inherently* a form of racism. The audience of Wilden&#8217;s piece are predominantly Eurocentric. Their reference points are predominantly Eurocentric. A lack of familiarity with other places/cultures/whatever is pretty normal and I think you&#8217;d find the majority of European-heritage Australians would find &#8220;Asian&#8221; grocery shops &#8220;scary, difficult, and odd&#8221;. That is not racism. It&#8217;s anxiety about unfamiliar things, sometimes expressed with irritating ignorance as in the article mentioned. Naturally, that ignorance and cliché can encourage racist beliefs amongst people inclined to have prejudiced or discriminatory attitudes.</p>
<p>Separately, I don&#8217;t know why anyone would have expected the Australian to be groundbreaking &#8212; Lethlean and Wilden were acquired for name recognition and commercial advantage, in the same way Matt Preston was recently. Preston is the only one with diverse writing skills there. The food media space in print is not going to earn money from catering to anything but the core audience. (And Fairfax had already destroyed its strength in food before it lost the above names, so there&#8217;s no reason to expect anything better anywhere I guess.)</p>
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